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I replied to XXXXX’s email (from the world's newest casino cheat) telling him I was not entirely clear on which of my moves he did, and answering a few of his questions:
“Did you bet a 32-33 split and then pastpost a chip of a higher denomination, or were you doing the Savannah move where you "pinch" the loser and simply collect the winning chips if the bet wins? In any event, you're the first person who's actually written me about trying one of my moves. Though I didn't write my book to have readers go out and do it, I must say that it warms my heart that you went out and beat the casino! In the old days I used to beat the pants off the XXXXX. Like I said in the book, the moves work even if the casinos wise up to them.”
“I am not for the moment planning a cheaters school but if I do I'll let you know!”
“Picking up strays is simply picking up winning chips paid by the dealer to players not realizing their bets won. Often these players walk away from the table thinking they lost their chips. A person with a good eye can spot this and simply pick those chips up. I've seen it done with purple $500 chips! This happens the most at craps because of the game's inherent complications. Also at roulette. The best thing about it is that casinos don't really care about whose picking up the chips they pay out.”
XXXXXX then replied with some more details of his venture into the cheating life:
As to the move, I had bet (3) $5 chips on the two & three column, I was standing up and could see most of the wheel. When I saw the ball fall into slot 33, I pulled a chip off the 3 stack on 2nd column and placed it on the split between 32 - 33 with my left hand; I placed the top chip from the 3rd column back among my chips with my right hand. This had the effect of keeping both the stacks at the end of the columns even. It’s not exactly as you performed in the book but it has similar elements; my chips were in the vicinity of the split bet, the dealer was looking at the wheel, it was easy to reach the 32 - 33 split and I kept the stacks even so as not to draw the dealers attention. It worked pretty smooth. Could I have worked it better? Yes. But without a partner and lookout it was a method I devised as I watched the dealer’s moves, the other players, and the pit personnel. Mostly I wanted very much to test your method.
I knew, when I read and thought about your methods and moves it would work, Also as you said it requires practice, patience and good trade craft. I have good hands and nerves. I just had never through of beating the casinos your way; in the open, in the light, in the noise, with its busyness, leaving no evidence only confusion.
I wanted very much to try your method jumped the gun a little bit. But had a cover story ready, enough so that they would overlook the small payout. But, your method worked.
Prior to reading your book I had given up trying to beat them with playing strategies. I felt the only way to beat the casinos was sticking up the cash rooms. We both know that’s a loser. Like you stated in your book “that after cheating the casinos any desire to gamble in them was gone” It’s the same with me; I just want to cheat them and that’s much more fulfilling than winning legally.
I went to the craps table after the roulette gig but decided I wouldn’t pull off a smooth move without a partner or it had too be a very busy night But I only need a couple of good moves a night to get my 20 grand back but I’m a patience fellow, not too greedy, and time is on my side.
I think of what Mumbles said, “its the casino wars”. I can’t think of anyone I would rather take money from than the casinos and the people who run them, they are simply in the business of taking advantage of people.
As for me I own a small business and make a good living. I am well educated and almost always know where I stand legally. As you pointed out in your book, “its a long way between what is said in a backroom of a casino and what is proven in court”. I’m sure that a jury would seek any reason to side with the defendant against a casino if given a reasonable opportunity.
About the cheater’s school. Why not, off shore, Canada. I’m sure if the casino’s learned of the school they would comprise at least half of your students (undercover) but at least you would still be taking $$ from the casinos.
“Did you bet a 32-33 split and then pastpost a chip of a higher denomination, or were you doing the Savannah move where you "pinch" the loser and simply collect the winning chips if the bet wins? In any event, you're the first person who's actually written me about trying one of my moves. Though I didn't write my book to have readers go out and do it, I must say that it warms my heart that you went out and beat the casino! In the old days I used to beat the pants off the XXXXX. Like I said in the book, the moves work even if the casinos wise up to them.”
“I am not for the moment planning a cheaters school but if I do I'll let you know!”
“Picking up strays is simply picking up winning chips paid by the dealer to players not realizing their bets won. Often these players walk away from the table thinking they lost their chips. A person with a good eye can spot this and simply pick those chips up. I've seen it done with purple $500 chips! This happens the most at craps because of the game's inherent complications. Also at roulette. The best thing about it is that casinos don't really care about whose picking up the chips they pay out.”
XXXXXX then replied with some more details of his venture into the cheating life:
As to the move, I had bet (3) $5 chips on the two & three column, I was standing up and could see most of the wheel. When I saw the ball fall into slot 33, I pulled a chip off the 3 stack on 2nd column and placed it on the split between 32 - 33 with my left hand; I placed the top chip from the 3rd column back among my chips with my right hand. This had the effect of keeping both the stacks at the end of the columns even. It’s not exactly as you performed in the book but it has similar elements; my chips were in the vicinity of the split bet, the dealer was looking at the wheel, it was easy to reach the 32 - 33 split and I kept the stacks even so as not to draw the dealers attention. It worked pretty smooth. Could I have worked it better? Yes. But without a partner and lookout it was a method I devised as I watched the dealer’s moves, the other players, and the pit personnel. Mostly I wanted very much to test your method.
I knew, when I read and thought about your methods and moves it would work, Also as you said it requires practice, patience and good trade craft. I have good hands and nerves. I just had never through of beating the casinos your way; in the open, in the light, in the noise, with its busyness, leaving no evidence only confusion.
I wanted very much to try your method jumped the gun a little bit. But had a cover story ready, enough so that they would overlook the small payout. But, your method worked.
Prior to reading your book I had given up trying to beat them with playing strategies. I felt the only way to beat the casinos was sticking up the cash rooms. We both know that’s a loser. Like you stated in your book “that after cheating the casinos any desire to gamble in them was gone” It’s the same with me; I just want to cheat them and that’s much more fulfilling than winning legally.
I went to the craps table after the roulette gig but decided I wouldn’t pull off a smooth move without a partner or it had too be a very busy night But I only need a couple of good moves a night to get my 20 grand back but I’m a patience fellow, not too greedy, and time is on my side.
I think of what Mumbles said, “its the casino wars”. I can’t think of anyone I would rather take money from than the casinos and the people who run them, they are simply in the business of taking advantage of people.
As for me I own a small business and make a good living. I am well educated and almost always know where I stand legally. As you pointed out in your book, “its a long way between what is said in a backroom of a casino and what is proven in court”. I’m sure that a jury would seek any reason to side with the defendant against a casino if given a reasonable opportunity.
About the cheater’s school. Why not, off shore, Canada. I’m sure if the casino’s learned of the school they would comprise at least half of your students (undercover) but at least you would still be taking $$ from the casinos.
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7 Comments:
I've been thinking about this for two days. What about the cameras?? Surely the eyes in the sky would have seen him... ?
32-33 split?! hmmm the only split i know is banana split. it seems your book is serving as an encouragement to cheaters. teaching tricks to that they might have not known if not for your book. is that good or bad? what do you think of these?
Amie,
The last word in my book were:
"In no way is this book meant to be a how-to-cheat-the-casino manual. As easy as some of the moves I described may seem, not just anybody can go out and do them. If you get caught cheating in a casino you could have a very serious legal problem. The FBI now investigates organized interstate casino cheating, which is considered as federal racketeering and accordingly falls under the RICO statutes.
I hope you enjoyed reading the book, but please, leave the actual cheating to Pat and Balls.
And to myself if I ever decide to go back into a casino and pop one in for old time's sake."I don't want people going to jail. That would be bad. But, casinos getting beaten is not bad at all.
Richard
Come on, as someone who grew up in Vegas, relatively in the know real cheats are like real wiseguys; they never tell... Unless it's to stay out of jail or the graveyard.
Hi Rob,
Thanks for coming by my site.
When I first started working with him on my book, my editor also thought that my life story would include a healthy amount of wise guy types. Although that might've been more commercial, it just isn't the way it was.
When I was working/cheating, I kept my secrets. And I still don't reveal the true names of my former teammates. They knew about me writing the book, and I had their blessing to do so. Pat is even going to appear on The History Channel documentary show based on the book.
I can assure you I'm in no danger of going to prison for my casino crimes; the stautes of limitation have run. I'd like to say with the same assurance that no one wants to send me to the graveyard, but one never knows. If so, I'm unaware of it and it sure didn't motivate me to tell my life story.
As you grew up in Vegas and have some knowledge of the town, I'd guess you might enjoy my book. And I think you'll find it answers any doubt about my voracity. See your rule #4 "Have fun and learn about others."
If you read it and still doubt me, let me know.
If at that point, we still can't agree then I guess we'll have to consult your rule #3 -- "If we don't agree than we're both assholes." I like that one!
Richard
Richard,
I had a question when you switched the chips can anybody see you? Don't they see you in tape?
I have no experience in gambling or anything. But your book has made me think that there are better ways to pay my university tuition. I have an italian friend and another one from Lithuania and I'm thinking about organizing my little social gambling cheat gang.
Please explaing my question above!
Thank you,
Miguel
P.S. Yes, if you need a pupil to teach, count me in!
by the way, I didn't know about you until I saw your AWESOME special in the History channel.
Way to go, I agree with you, Casinos are the second biggest cheaters. Yes, afer you!
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